It saddens me that a brilliant analysis of Western liberal mass manipulation has triggered simplistic finger pointing. I expect to see this shallow pseudo analysis in the NY Times letters, but it's really not what I expect to see here.
America is pathologically Zionist apart from any Jewish support. I doubt there were a lot of Jews in Plymouth and Jamestown when white Christian ideologues saw a window for their sects to rise up and contribute to the slaughter of over 50 million residents across a century. Certainly Israel prospers from American policies and American weaponry, but Israel was a European project that became an American 'cause' and to suggest that Israel has "turned the West into a weapon of Arab destruction' is to grossly understate the historic imperial footprint that has made America the most treacherous nation state in the last century.
Americans and many westerners have become unconscious voters in the entrenchment of the status quo that was established by white, privileged climbers in the founding of a state to preserve their perches. They wouldn't know a policy if it bit them. They are functional and ignorant, schooled and stupid, incurious and proud of it. The violence in America is the flower of decades of planned, failed education and unrelenting socialization via the TV and Hollywood. The American social laboratory is destined for destruction, most likely by the hand of the inmates. Humans cannot endure suppression and manipulation endlessly.
I am tired of hearing about zionism, so we don't hurt the feelings of the Jews.
The West and Shitrael are killing arabs in the name of Jews, not Zionists. Israel is a Jewish state, until these progressive jews in Israel take up armed struggle, then they are benefiting directly or indirectly from the dehumanisation of arabs. 70,000 Germans died, taking up arms, defying the Nazi’s - I don't see this happening in Israel - just talk. Yet many jews in the West and East are travelling to Israel, taking up arms to participate in the genocide. It is self-evident that the majority of Jews are supportive.
As Laith Marouf ( Free Palestine TV) says, we have to name the perpetrators and the religion this genocide is being committed in the name of; enough speaking in code, the jews are no more or less special than any other religious group. They should be held to account when they go off the rails like any other religious group that goes rogue.
Sorry, I am not gonna blame Jews in general. I have Jewish friends who fight Zionism. And I know Arab Jews who respect their Arab heritage.
I hate it when people blame “Arabs” for ISIS or Saudi Arabia. Similarly, I cannot stand it when people blame “Jews” in general. Regardless of the amount of Jews in support of Israel. There are always Jews that do not deserve to be included in that group op depraved individuals.
{I cannot stand it when people blame “Jews” in general. Regardless of the amount of Jews in support of Israel. There are always Jews that do not deserve to be included in that group op depraved individuals.}
Sorry I AM gonna blame the "Jews" in general. That excuse is getting very worn out like all the others! "Not in our name" big freakin deal. And what came of it? Nothing absolutely nothing it was simply all staged to absolve them of their shame and sins.
Lets take this a step further . . . how many Jews in the world? 15 million? And yet the other 7 billion people who also inhabit this planet, cant stop them from slaughtering hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in Gaza, for how many decades? Puh-leeze save me the sorrow!
As an entity, the Jews have a helluva lot more power than the rest of us! As in a congregation. And yet isn't it the least bit ironic none of them are renouncing their religion and walking away? Standing in solidarity and rather than saying NOT IN OUR NAME, actually doing something about it other than these asinine hollow bromides? Puh-leeze it sickens me!
Oh whoop-de-bloody-do! So they go to these marches and come home and say to all "I" don't support it and close their doors while continuing to worship Judaism. As I say like this is supposed to absolve them? Are you kidding me?
The high holy days just passed. Anyone see the slightest damper of support? Grocery stores were all still packed with holiday foods. And don't dare get me started with the synagogues and how there wasn't the slightest downtick or reduction is congregants.
Oh yeah tell me again NOT IN OUR NAME!
I live in NJ home to thousands of synagogues and for days watched thousands dutifully show up to show their support NOT for Palestine (NOT IN OUR NAME) but rather, join in solidarity with their JEWISH Heritage.
A Jew will never ever renounce their religion because they are all taught and ingrained they are superior to all and they will never, ever, ever give that up! Ask a Jew why they don't renounce their religion and the answer you will get every single time is: WHY SHOULD I!
No need to apologise. How should we frame the situation?
The main benefactors of Zionism are Jewish Israelis. I am not talking about Jews historically, but the last 100 years have significantly benefited them.
Every displacement and land theft benefits Israeli jews. When we call out the catholic church for crimes such as terra nullius to colonise and genocide in America, it is not an issue. When 95 % of synagogues in the US support Israel, you can't use the word Jew.
Of course, there are Jews who are anti zionism and arab jews (it seems to be a minority) who have not been made to be ashamed and hate their culture. Just like I am ashamed of the current Muslim countries, such as the UAE, Saudi Arabia, complicit in the genocide, there are enough comments on the internet calling these arab countries out for not doing enough for the Arabs and Muslims.
That is not the case for jews, when the minority of jews speak out, they are heralded as heroes ( and given priority platforms - not the victims).
I am genuinely interested in the framing, as Zionism does not adequately frame. If we are to have a framing, good, bad, or ugly, let's make it consistent. The way we currently frame the situation is helping the empire and the benefactors of the genocide. It seems like Jews can't be shamed, but others can. I may be emotional and enraged, and I need a clearer mind to help put my feelings into better perspective. Happy to be convinced otherwise.
The main benefactors of western imperialism are white Europeans. Do I blame my white mother? No. Do I blame my Algerian dad for Arabs that are extremist? No. I call them Israelis and Zionists. But I won’t blame Jewishness
The large majority of Jews outside "Israel" are against dismantlement, which means they are pro-"Israel", therefore pro-Zionism, therefore pro-genocide as per Deuteronomy.
(It seems like Jews can't be shamed, but others can. I may be emotional and enraged, and I need a clearer mind to help put my feelings into better perspective. Happy to be convinced otherwise.)
DON'T let anyone convince you differently of your convictions - precisely what this is all about! Trying to dilute and obscure the truth and reality. Instead, remain steadfast because you are correct!
{It is self-evident that the majority of Jews are supportive.}
Show me one, let alone any group of Jews that says, everyone in the region has the absolute right (by law mind you) to defend themselves from the constant onslaught by Israel and the USA! Then and only then, will I not hold all Jews accountable!
I am not talking about imperial power, and I know it benefits from what Israel does. However, the main benefactors are the Israelis for every murder and theft committed against Palestinians.
My frustration is that there is a taboo about mentioning Jews or Jewishness. We label Israel as zionist but do not call out the majority extremist and supremacist Jewish Israeli society. I have no issue calling out extremist Muslims or Hindus. The framing assumes a secular context, ie capitalism, imperialism, but shies away from even considering religious motivation and that Israel is conducting a religious war. Because if it were only about land and resources, they would not have ecologically destroyed the land for generations.
The fact is that the majority in Israel, and it seems to be the majority of Jewish institutions ( let alone the Western mainstream), support Israel and by extension supremacist Jewishness.
Israel does not refer to itself as Zionist in their constitution; it is a label that the West and many others have put on Israel ( I am sure Israelis agree with Zionist principles and are influenced by it). Extract below from the constitution.
“The nation-state law
Foundation: The Nation-State Law, passed in 2018, declares that Israel is the "nation-state of the Jewish people" and that the right to self-determination in Israel is unique to the Jewish people.” Their primary identity is Jewishness ( however extreme or perverted they have morphed that faith), not white Europeans or Zionists.
The taboos of not being able to discuss Jewish extremism and how it has become mainstream only serve to reinforce the chosen people mentality and supremacy. If my analysis seems too immoral, so be it. I find your condescending remarks to be petty and unproductive, and I am not interested in discussing this matter further until there is genuine dialogue.
It saddens me that a brilliant analysis of Western liberal mass manipulation has triggered simplistic finger pointing. I expect to see this shallow pseudo analysis in the NY Times letters, but it's really not what I expect to see here.
America is pathologically Zionist apart from any Jewish support. I doubt there were a lot of Jews in Plymouth and Jamestown when white Christian ideologues saw a window for their sects to rise up and contribute to the slaughter of over 50 million residents across a century. Certainly Israel prospers from American policies and American weaponry, but Israel was a European project that became an American 'cause' and to suggest that Israel has "turned the West into a weapon of Arab destruction' is to grossly understate the historic imperial footprint that has made America the most treacherous nation state in the last century.
Americans and many westerners have become unconscious voters in the entrenchment of the status quo that was established by white, privileged climbers in the founding of a state to preserve their perches. They wouldn't know a policy if it bit them. They are functional and ignorant, schooled and stupid, incurious and proud of it. The violence in America is the flower of decades of planned, failed education and unrelenting socialization via the TV and Hollywood. The American social laboratory is destined for destruction, most likely by the hand of the inmates. Humans cannot endure suppression and manipulation endlessly.
I am tired of hearing about zionism, so we don't hurt the feelings of the Jews.
The West and Shitrael are killing arabs in the name of Jews, not Zionists. Israel is a Jewish state, until these progressive jews in Israel take up armed struggle, then they are benefiting directly or indirectly from the dehumanisation of arabs. 70,000 Germans died, taking up arms, defying the Nazi’s - I don't see this happening in Israel - just talk. Yet many jews in the West and East are travelling to Israel, taking up arms to participate in the genocide. It is self-evident that the majority of Jews are supportive.
As Laith Marouf ( Free Palestine TV) says, we have to name the perpetrators and the religion this genocide is being committed in the name of; enough speaking in code, the jews are no more or less special than any other religious group. They should be held to account when they go off the rails like any other religious group that goes rogue.
Sorry, I am not gonna blame Jews in general. I have Jewish friends who fight Zionism. And I know Arab Jews who respect their Arab heritage.
I hate it when people blame “Arabs” for ISIS or Saudi Arabia. Similarly, I cannot stand it when people blame “Jews” in general. Regardless of the amount of Jews in support of Israel. There are always Jews that do not deserve to be included in that group op depraved individuals.
{I cannot stand it when people blame “Jews” in general. Regardless of the amount of Jews in support of Israel. There are always Jews that do not deserve to be included in that group op depraved individuals.}
Sorry I AM gonna blame the "Jews" in general. That excuse is getting very worn out like all the others! "Not in our name" big freakin deal. And what came of it? Nothing absolutely nothing it was simply all staged to absolve them of their shame and sins.
Lets take this a step further . . . how many Jews in the world? 15 million? And yet the other 7 billion people who also inhabit this planet, cant stop them from slaughtering hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in Gaza, for how many decades? Puh-leeze save me the sorrow!
As an entity, the Jews have a helluva lot more power than the rest of us! As in a congregation. And yet isn't it the least bit ironic none of them are renouncing their religion and walking away? Standing in solidarity and rather than saying NOT IN OUR NAME, actually doing something about it other than these asinine hollow bromides? Puh-leeze it sickens me!
Oh whoop-de-bloody-do! So they go to these marches and come home and say to all "I" don't support it and close their doors while continuing to worship Judaism. As I say like this is supposed to absolve them? Are you kidding me?
The high holy days just passed. Anyone see the slightest damper of support? Grocery stores were all still packed with holiday foods. And don't dare get me started with the synagogues and how there wasn't the slightest downtick or reduction is congregants.
Oh yeah tell me again NOT IN OUR NAME!
I live in NJ home to thousands of synagogues and for days watched thousands dutifully show up to show their support NOT for Palestine (NOT IN OUR NAME) but rather, join in solidarity with their JEWISH Heritage.
A Jew will never ever renounce their religion because they are all taught and ingrained they are superior to all and they will never, ever, ever give that up! Ask a Jew why they don't renounce their religion and the answer you will get every single time is: WHY SHOULD I!
NUF SAID!
No need to apologise. How should we frame the situation?
The main benefactors of Zionism are Jewish Israelis. I am not talking about Jews historically, but the last 100 years have significantly benefited them.
Every displacement and land theft benefits Israeli jews. When we call out the catholic church for crimes such as terra nullius to colonise and genocide in America, it is not an issue. When 95 % of synagogues in the US support Israel, you can't use the word Jew.
Of course, there are Jews who are anti zionism and arab jews (it seems to be a minority) who have not been made to be ashamed and hate their culture. Just like I am ashamed of the current Muslim countries, such as the UAE, Saudi Arabia, complicit in the genocide, there are enough comments on the internet calling these arab countries out for not doing enough for the Arabs and Muslims.
That is not the case for jews, when the minority of jews speak out, they are heralded as heroes ( and given priority platforms - not the victims).
I am genuinely interested in the framing, as Zionism does not adequately frame. If we are to have a framing, good, bad, or ugly, let's make it consistent. The way we currently frame the situation is helping the empire and the benefactors of the genocide. It seems like Jews can't be shamed, but others can. I may be emotional and enraged, and I need a clearer mind to help put my feelings into better perspective. Happy to be convinced otherwise.
The main benefactors of western imperialism are white Europeans. Do I blame my white mother? No. Do I blame my Algerian dad for Arabs that are extremist? No. I call them Israelis and Zionists. But I won’t blame Jewishness
The large majority of Jews outside "Israel" are against dismantlement, which means they are pro-"Israel", therefore pro-Zionism, therefore pro-genocide as per Deuteronomy.
(It seems like Jews can't be shamed, but others can. I may be emotional and enraged, and I need a clearer mind to help put my feelings into better perspective. Happy to be convinced otherwise.)
DON'T let anyone convince you differently of your convictions - precisely what this is all about! Trying to dilute and obscure the truth and reality. Instead, remain steadfast because you are correct!
{It is self-evident that the majority of Jews are supportive.}
Show me one, let alone any group of Jews that says, everyone in the region has the absolute right (by law mind you) to defend themselves from the constant onslaught by Israel and the USA! Then and only then, will I not hold all Jews accountable!
I am not talking about imperial power, and I know it benefits from what Israel does. However, the main benefactors are the Israelis for every murder and theft committed against Palestinians.
My frustration is that there is a taboo about mentioning Jews or Jewishness. We label Israel as zionist but do not call out the majority extremist and supremacist Jewish Israeli society. I have no issue calling out extremist Muslims or Hindus. The framing assumes a secular context, ie capitalism, imperialism, but shies away from even considering religious motivation and that Israel is conducting a religious war. Because if it were only about land and resources, they would not have ecologically destroyed the land for generations.
The fact is that the majority in Israel, and it seems to be the majority of Jewish institutions ( let alone the Western mainstream), support Israel and by extension supremacist Jewishness.
Israel does not refer to itself as Zionist in their constitution; it is a label that the West and many others have put on Israel ( I am sure Israelis agree with Zionist principles and are influenced by it). Extract below from the constitution.
“The nation-state law
Foundation: The Nation-State Law, passed in 2018, declares that Israel is the "nation-state of the Jewish people" and that the right to self-determination in Israel is unique to the Jewish people.” Their primary identity is Jewishness ( however extreme or perverted they have morphed that faith), not white Europeans or Zionists.
The taboos of not being able to discuss Jewish extremism and how it has become mainstream only serve to reinforce the chosen people mentality and supremacy. If my analysis seems too immoral, so be it. I find your condescending remarks to be petty and unproductive, and I am not interested in discussing this matter further until there is genuine dialogue.